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04/02/2010 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 317 EDUC. FUNDING: BASIC/SPEC NEEDS/TRANSPORT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 355 CRIMINAL FINES FOR ORGANIZATIONS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 355(JUD) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 344 SALMON PRODUCT DEVELOP. TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 344(FIN) Out of Committee
+= SB 171 PERMANENT FUND DIVIDEND FOR DECEASED TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 171(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 357 AK RAILROAD CORP. LAND SALES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 357(FIN) Out of Committee
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       April 2, 2010                                                                                            
                         1:42 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:42:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze called the  House Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:42 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Thomas Jr., Vice-Chair                                                                                      
Representative Allan Austerman                                                                                                  
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                      
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Hawker, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Christine  Marasigan, Staff,  Senator  Kevin Meyer;  Deborah                                                                    
Bitney,   Director,   Permanent  Fund   Dividend   Division,                                                                    
Department  of   Revenue;  Ben  Mulligan,   Staff,  Co-Chair                                                                    
Stoltze;   John    Binkley,   Chairman,    Alaska   Railroad                                                                    
Corporation;   John   Cohen,    Staff,   Co-Chair   Stoltze;                                                                    
Representative Paul  Seaton; Carl Rose,  Executive Director,                                                                    
Association   of  Alaska   School   Boards;  Mary   Francis,                                                                    
Executive    Director,    Alaska    School    Administrators                                                                    
Association  (ASAA);  Andi  Story,  Vice  President,  Juneau                                                                    
School  Board; Dave  Jones, Assistant  Superintendent, Kenai                                                                    
Peninsula  Borough  School  District; Amy  Lujan,  Executive                                                                    
Director, Alaska  Association of School  Business Officials;                                                                    
Eddy  Jeans,  Director,   School  Finances  and  Facilities,                                                                    
Department    of    Education   and    Early    Development;                                                                    
Representative     Max  Gruenberg;  Rick   Svobodny,  Deputy                                                                    
Commissioner, Department of Law; Gretchen Staft, Staff,                                                                         
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Peter   Hoepfner,  School   Board  Member,   Cordova  School                                                                    
District;  Lon  Garrison,  President,  Sitka  School  Board;                                                                    
Karen  Martinsen, Co-Chair,  Vocational Technical  Education                                                                    
Providers,  Sitka;  Steve  Bradshaw,  Superintendent,  Sitka                                                                    
School District                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 317    EDUC. FUNDING: BASIC/SPEC NEEDS/TRANSPORT                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          HB 317 was HEARD and HELD in Committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 344    SALMON PRODUCT DEVELOP. TAX CREDIT                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 344(FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee  with                                                                     
          a "do pass" recommendation and a new fiscal note                                                                      
          from the Department of Revenue.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 355    CRIMINAL FINES FOR ORGANIZATIONS                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 355(JUD) was REPORTED out of Committee  with                                                                     
          a "do pass" recommendation and with previously                                                                        
          published zero fiscal note: FN1 (LAW).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 357    AK RAILROAD CORP. LAND SALES                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 357(FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee  with                                                                     
          no recommendation and with previously published                                                                       
          fiscal note: FN1 (CED).                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SB 171    PERMANENT FUND DIVIDEND FOR DECEASED                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          HCS CSSB  171(FIN) was  REPORTED out  of Committee                                                                    
          with  a "do  pass" recommendation  and with  a new                                                                    
          fiscal  note from  the Department  of Revenue  and                                                                    
          previously published fiscal note: FN2 (REV).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:42:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 171                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating  to the permanent fund  dividend of an                                                                    
     otherwise  qualified  individual  who dies  during  the                                                                    
     qualifying year; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE MARASIGAN,  STAFF, SENATOR KEVIN  MEYER, presented                                                                    
the overview of the bill.  The bill provides for an issuance                                                                    
of  a permanent  fund  dividend (PFD)  check  to a  personal                                                                    
representative  of  an  estate  or  successor  claiming  the                                                                    
personal  property  of  the deceased,  should  an  otherwise                                                                    
eligible individual die during the qualifying year.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze added that  the bill includes modifications                                                                    
to  "Pick, Click  and Give".  He inquired  if Ms.  Marasigan                                                                    
agreed with those additions to the bill. She said she did.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:44:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas MOVED to adopt Amendment 1:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, following line 31:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
     "*Sec.6 AS 43.23.062(f) is amended to read:                                                                                
     (f)   The   department   may  charge   [ESTABLISH]   an                                                                
     application fee  of $250 [NOT  TO EXCEED $50]  for each                                                                
     educational  organization,   community  foundation,  or                                                                    
     charitable  organization  that   files  an  application                                                                    
     under (d)  of this section. The  application fees shall                                                                    
     be  separately accounted  for under  AS 37.05.142.  The                                                                    
     annual  estimated  balance  in the  account  maintained                                                                    
     under  AS  37.05.142  for  application  fees  collected                                                                    
     under this subsection may be  appropriated for costs of                                                                    
     administering this section."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, line 16:                                                                                                           
     Delete "Sections 1 - 7"                                                                                                    
     Insert "Sections 1 - 8"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas explained that  the amendment would charge                                                                    
an   application   fee   of  $250   for   each   educational                                                                    
organization,    community    foundation,   or    charitable                                                                    
organization  that files  an  application  under the  "Pick,                                                                    
Click, and  Give" program. He  reported that there  has been                                                                    
$815,000 committed  to the program  at this time. This  is a                                                                    
46  percent  increase over  last  year.  The amendment  will                                                                    
raise roughly $62,750.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze concluded  that  the fee  would  not be  a                                                                    
barrier for the organizations. Vice-Chair Thomas agreed.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:47:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough asked  about uncollected remaining                                                                    
costs of  providing the  service. She  wondered if  the $250                                                                    
charge covered  all costs of the  program. Vice-Chair Thomas                                                                    
noted  the  attempt to  match  50  percent of  the  required                                                                    
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fairclough   inquired  if  50   percent  was                                                                    
unmatched. Vice-Chair  Thomas responded that $65,000  is the                                                                    
unmatched  amount.  Representative Fairclough  wondered  why                                                                    
the  amount  of  $500  is not  being  requested.  Vice-Chair                                                                    
Thomas said it was because non-profits were paying for it.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough  noted she  was sensitive  to non-                                                                    
profits,  but   she  was  also  sensitive   to  the  state's                                                                    
position. She  suggested that it seemed  reasonable to reach                                                                    
for 100 percent coverage.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster asked if it  was an annual or one-time                                                                    
fee. Vice-Chair Thomas said it was an annual fee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:49:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman inquired if it was the only fee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEBORAH   BITNEY,   DIRECTOR,   PERMANENT   FUND   DIVIDEND,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,  stated  that it  was  the only  fee                                                                    
charged to the non-profits choosing to participate.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Foster    asked   if   there    were   many                                                                    
organizations that don't receive  $250 in contributions. Ms.                                                                    
Bitney  responded  that  there were  378  total  non-profits                                                                    
receiving  pledges,   and  61  received  $250   or  less  in                                                                    
contributions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:51:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan questioned the  fiscal note of $86,700                                                                    
a year. He wondered if it  was the only fiscal note attached                                                                    
to the  bill. Co-Chair  Stoltze thought  there should  be an                                                                    
updated fiscal note.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster  requested more statistics  related to                                                                    
how much non-profits received.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bitney  related that  43 organizations  received between                                                                    
$275  and $500  in  pledges. That  leaves 274  organizations                                                                    
that received  $500 or  more. It  is anticipated  that there                                                                    
will be about $68,500 from application fees.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:53:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough  did not wish to  advocate for the                                                                    
$500 fee this  year due to the newness of  "Pick, Click, and                                                                    
Give".  She spoke  of other  organizations which  benefit by                                                                    
the elimination of  the middle man. She pointed  out that it                                                                    
creates  technical challenges  and additional  paperwork for                                                                    
the  Department of  Revenue. She  agreed that  $250 was  the                                                                    
right number  for this year, but  in the future it  might be                                                                    
revised.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  gave  his opinion  about  another  "check                                                                    
off".  He thought  there ought  to  be a  cut-off point  for                                                                    
organizations that don't profit  by this avenue. He expected                                                                    
to revisit the issue again.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:56:24 PM          AT EASE                                                                                                   
2:08:52 PM          RECONVENED                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas WITHDREW Amendment 1.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Thomas MOVED  to ADOPT  HCS  for CSSB  171(FIN),                                                                    
labeled 26-LS0804\C,  Cook, 2/5/10, as the  working document                                                                    
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, following line 31:                                                                                                 
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
     "*Sec.6 AS 43.23.062(f) is amended to read:                                                                                
     (f)   The  department   shall  charge   [ESTABLISH]  an                                                                
     application fee  of $250 [NOT  TO EXCEED $50]  for each                                                                
     educational  organization,   community  foundation,  or                                                                    
     charitable  organization  that   files  an  application                                                                    
     under (d)  of this section. The  application fees shall                                                                    
     be  separately accounted  for under  AS 37.05.142.  The                                                                    
     annual  estimated  balance  in the  account  maintained                                                                    
     under  AS  37.05.142  for  application  fees  collected                                                                    
     under this subsection may be  appropriated for costs of                                                                    
     administering this section."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, line 16:                                                                                                           
     Delete "Sections 1 - 7"                                                                                                    
     Insert "Sections 1 - 8"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze OBJECTED.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:10:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Austerman  commented   on  the   number  of                                                                    
organizations on the  list that would not profit  if the fee                                                                    
were to be $500. The  concept behind "Pick, Click, and Give"                                                                    
is  to  enable the  organizations  to  raise money.  He  was                                                                    
opposed to having the higher fee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bitney  noted there were 274  organizations that receive                                                                    
more than $500 in pledges.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fairclough spoke  of a  time when  community                                                                    
members  selected  charities  to  support.  She  shared  the                                                                    
history  of   a  United  Way  campaign   in  Anchorage.  She                                                                    
maintained  that individual  Alaskans  show  value for  each                                                                    
organization with  their donation. Increasing the  cost does                                                                    
not  disenfranchising  charities.   She  shared  a  personal                                                                    
experience  with donations  and concluded  that the  program                                                                    
does not  make it  harder for  charities, but  increases the                                                                    
load for the  departments. She thought that  the list should                                                                    
contain a threshold. She spoke in support of the amendment.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kelly  pointed   out  that   the  cost   of                                                                    
fundraising for  organizations was pretty high  and $250 was                                                                    
a bargain.  He thought it was  a great program and  would be                                                                    
self-selecting.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fairclough  related  that the  advantage  is                                                                    
that it appears donations have gone up substantially.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster  believed that the seven-page  of list                                                                    
of organizations was comprehensive.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:17:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Doogan, Fairclough, Foster,  Joule, Kelly, Thomas,                                                                    
Stoltz, Gara                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OPPOSED: Austerman                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (8-1)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BEN MULLIGAN,  STAFF, CO-CHAIR STOLTZE, pointed  out that in                                                                    
the  fund source  section  of the  fiscal  note the  program                                                                    
receipts  total should  be $68,500,  not $18,800.  This will                                                                    
bring the  total to  $64,000, which  will reduce  the fiscal                                                                    
impact by half.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas MOVED  to report HCS CSSB  171(FIN) out of                                                                    
Committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HCS CS SB 171(FIN) was REPORTED  out of Committee with a "do                                                                    
pass"  recommendation  and  with  a  new  fiscal  note  from                                                                    
Department of Revenue and  previously published fiscal note:                                                                    
FN2 (REV)                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:20:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 357                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the sale of land owned by the                                                                          
     Alaska Railroad that is not needed for railroad                                                                            
     purposes."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  inquired about the reason  that the Alaska                                                                    
Railroad does not  fall under the Budget Act  and how fiscal                                                                    
notes are issued.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   BINKLEY,  CHAIRMAN,   ALASKA  RAILROAD   CORPORATION,                                                                    
deferred to staff to answer.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze asked  Mr. Binkley to read a  letter he had                                                                    
sent  to   committee  members.   Mr.  Binkley   reported  on                                                                    
strategies to  work closer with the  railroad's partners and                                                                    
leaseholders.  One   is  to  change  the   requirement  that                                                                    
leaseholders pay a  $300 fee whenever they  are applying for                                                                    
a  renewal or  an original  lease. Another  is to  change to                                                                    
electronic   notices.  He   suggested   a   change  to   the                                                                    
leaseholder's policy  so that  when an  appraisal decreases,                                                                    
the  rent decreases.  He proposed  to  have more  meaningful                                                                    
discussions to  look for efficiencies for  leaseholders, yet                                                                    
protect investments for shareholders.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:24:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  questioned what  the railroad  would do                                                                    
with  money  from  land  sales.   The  bill  says  that  the                                                                    
corporation  should separately  account for  the money,  but                                                                    
does not  say how the  money is to  be spent. The  bill also                                                                    
says,  "Money   in  the  account  may   be  appropriated  in                                                                    
accordance with  the Railroad Transfer  Act." Representative                                                                    
Gara  asked if  the money  could  go toward  staff costs  or                                                                    
salaries.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Binkley did not think so.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:26:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze noted  that Legal  Services pointed  out a                                                                    
possibility  that a  change made  to the  bill in  the House                                                                    
Transportation    Committee    may   have    violated    the                                                                    
constitution, so a new committee substitute was written.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas  MOVED to ADOPT  the CS for HB  357 (FIN),                                                                    
26-LS1356\S, Bullock, 3/30/10, as the working document.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze OBJECTED.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOHN COHEN,  STAFF, CO-CHAIR  STOLTZE, explained  a one-word                                                                    
change  on  page 2,  line  9.  The word  "appropriated"  was                                                                    
changed  to "used"  by the  House Transportation  Committee.                                                                    
The attached Legal Services memo  explains that this was out                                                                    
of compliance  with the state constitution.  It violates the                                                                    
federally    mandated    dedicated   fund    for    railroad                                                                    
appropriation usage. The change  in Version S reverts "used"                                                                    
back to "appropriated".                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze WITHDREW  his  OBJECTION.  There being  NO                                                                    
further  OBJECTION,  CSHB   357(FIN)  26-LS1356\S,  Bullock,                                                                    
3/30/10 was adopted.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:28:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze read the Letter of Intent for HB 357:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     It is  the intent of  HB 357,  "An Act relating  to the                                                                    
     sale of  land owned by  the Alaska Railroad that  it is                                                                    
     not intended for railroad purposes,"  to not impact any                                                                    
     outstanding Federal  issue which has not  been resolved                                                                    
     in regards to railroad  lands, easements, or rights-of-                                                                    
     way.  It  is not  the  intent  of this  legislation  to                                                                    
     impede, damage, or disrupt  any ongoing claims, issues,                                                                    
     or cases involving the  Alaska Railroad Corporation and                                                                    
     governmental, tribal, or private sector disputes.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze MOVED to ADOPT  the Letter of Intent. There                                                                    
being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:29:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly remarked  that  the  Letter of  Intent                                                                    
would cover the previously mentioned concern.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Thomas  MOVED to  report  CSHB  367(FIN) out  of                                                                    
Committee  with individual  recommendations,  the Letter  of                                                                    
Intent, and the accompanying fiscal note.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze OBJECTED.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  supported the sponsor's intent,  but he                                                                    
was not  sure that  the railroad should  be allowed  to sell                                                                    
land that belongs to the state and keep the money.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze shared some of the same concerns.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze WITHDREW his objection                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CSHB  357(FIN)  was  REPORTED  out   of  Committee  with  no                                                                    
recommendation  and with  previously published  fiscal note:                                                                    
FN1 (CED)                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:31:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 344                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the  salmon product development tax                                                                    
     credit;  and   providing  for  an  effective   date  by                                                                    
     amending  an effective  date  in sec.  7,  ch. 57,  SLA                                                                    
     2003, as  amended by sec.  4, ch.  3, SLA 2006,  and by                                                                    
     sec. 4, ch. 8, SLA 2008."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  WITHDREW his OBJECTION to  adopting the CS                                                                    
for HB 344. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas  clarified that  an ice making  machine is                                                                    
the internal  parts of an  ice house.  The ice house  is not                                                                    
part of the tax credit.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Doogan   inquired  about   Alaska   Glacier                                                                    
Seafood's  plan to  increase its  ice handling  capacity and                                                                    
widen the  dock forty-five feet  in order  to add a  new ice                                                                    
facility. He assumed that the  costs of that expansion would                                                                    
not qualify for the tax credit.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas said that was true.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  noted  the  fiscal  note,  which  remains                                                                    
unchanged. It will  reflect a change as a result  of the new                                                                    
CS.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough  asked if maintenance  and repairs                                                                    
of the  items would qualify  for the tax  credit. Vice-Chair                                                                    
Thomas thought that maintenance  would not qualify, only the                                                                    
actual capital construction of the ice-making portion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze MOVED  to  report CSHB  344  (FIN) out  of                                                                    
Committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB  344(FIN) was  REPORTED  out of  Committee  with a  "do                                                                    
pass"  recommendation  and  a   new  fiscal  note  from  the                                                                    
Department of Revenue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:37:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 317                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  increasing the special needs  funding and base                                                                    
     student  allocation for  public schools,  and extending                                                                    
     the adjustment for  student transportation funding; and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PAUL  SEATON,  SPONSOR, explained  that  the                                                                    
bill is intended to continue  the policy direction thr state                                                                    
has taken the last three years.  One of the main purposes of                                                                    
the bill is  to prevent the rounds of  teacher lay-offs that                                                                    
have been  occurring. It was  the mechanism designed  by the                                                                    
Joint Legislative  Education Funding  Task Force  to provide                                                                    
budget information to school districts.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Seaton related  that Section  1 extends  the                                                                    
inflation  adjustment  for  pupil  transportation  that  was                                                                    
established in  2008 through  2014. Those  adjustments would                                                                    
reflect any increases in consumer  price increases. It would                                                                    
ensure that  if there  was a  negative adjustment,  it would                                                                    
not take place.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Seaton  explained that Section 2  of the bill                                                                    
increases the  block grant funding,  which is 20  percent of                                                                    
the amount  a school district  receives for the  purposes of                                                                    
special education, gifted and  talented, vocational, and bi-                                                                    
lingual education. The increase is 1.5 percent.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Seaton  referred to a Letter  of Intent which                                                                    
explains the  goal of stimulating  more spending  and access                                                                    
for the 70 percent of students  that don't go to college. It                                                                    
is  directed to  encourage vocational  education across  the                                                                    
state.  It is  not  category  funding. Individual  districts                                                                    
have the ability to use funds as needed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Seaton  said that Section 3  provides for the                                                                    
same amount -  1.5 percent - the following  year. Sections 4                                                                    
and 5  increase the  base student  allocation (BSA)  by $125                                                                    
for each of  the following years - FY 2012  and FY 2013. The                                                                    
legislature  originally provided  for three  years, but  the                                                                    
Task  Force  decided  not  to do  that  due  to  mid-session                                                                    
timing. He explained the effective dates in the bill.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:42:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan questioned  the FY  2012 cost  of $45                                                                    
million.  He  wondered  how  much  would  be  special  needs                                                                    
funding and how much would be BSA.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Seaton responded  that  $30  million is  the                                                                    
$125 BSA  increase and $14.7  million would be  the intended                                                                    
vocational increase.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas asked if any  consideration is being given                                                                    
to the  dropout rate of  between 30 percent and  40 percent.                                                                    
Representative Seaton mentioned a  number of solutions, such                                                                    
as  aligning curriculum.  The Anchorage  School District  is                                                                    
working on an advisor/advocate  program for at risk students                                                                    
and  has increased  the graduation  rate by  5 percent.  Six                                                                    
schools on  the Kenai  Peninsula have  also gone  to advisor                                                                    
programs  and have  increased the  graduation rate  by 12-15                                                                    
percent. The  BSA increase has  allowed school  districts to                                                                    
accomplish the  goal of decreasing  dropout rates.  There is                                                                    
also another bill which looks  at improving the rigor of the                                                                    
high school curriculum.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Seaton reported on  successes in reducing the                                                                    
dropout rate, but  noted that there are  still some problems                                                                    
in some districts. He emphasized  a need for more vocational                                                                    
education, which the Letter of Intent directs.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Thomas  inquired  why  the Task  Force  is  only                                                                    
concentrating on  the Anchorage and  Kenai area and  not the                                                                    
entire state.  He opined  it should be shared  statewide. He                                                                    
spoke  of dropout  rates  in his  district.  He wondered  if                                                                    
there were funds available for  schools that did not qualify                                                                    
for the Governor's Performance Scholarship (GPS) fund.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:49:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Seaton  pointed out that efforts  were taking                                                                    
place in the  Chugiak School District and  in Prince William                                                                    
Sound, which  now has  a 98  percent graduation  rate. There                                                                    
are  successes  in rural  locations,  as  well as  in  urban                                                                    
locations.  The  use of  traveling  teachers  is also  being                                                                    
considered.  He   pointed  out  that  the   bill  emphasizes                                                                    
vocational education as a  solution to increasing graduation                                                                    
results.  He spoke  of another  bill  that would  coordinate                                                                    
efforts  between  models  used   in  various  districts.  He                                                                    
invited  everyone  to  attend an  upcoming  Joint  Education                                                                    
Committee meeting regarding Moore vs. Alaska.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:51:39  PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze appreciated  Representative Seaton's  work                                                                    
on the bill and on the GPS.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough  asked if the  Education Committee                                                                    
has  taken  on the  issue  of  Continuing Learning  Credits;                                                                    
aligning them with curriculum and teachers across Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Seaton inquired  if Representative Fairclough                                                                    
was  referring  to  teacher  education.  She  said  she  was                                                                    
referring   to   required   continuing   learning   credits.                                                                    
Representative  Seaton  reported   that  the  University  of                                                                    
Alaska has  presented a  report to  the legislature  on that                                                                    
topic. The  committee is looking  at aligning  and promoting                                                                    
those  credits.   The  goal  is   to  improve   teachers  in                                                                    
education, not just in subject matter.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough  heard that teachers  could choose                                                                    
to get  credits in  subjects other than  the ones  they were                                                                    
teaching.  She  asked  how the  committee  was  implementing                                                                    
strategies outlined  by the Task  Force. She noted  that all                                                                    
of the money  had been implemented, but  thought many issues                                                                    
remained.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Seaton  related that most of  the issues have                                                                    
been  addressed. Representative  Seaton  explained that  the                                                                    
questions were given a written response.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:55:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough  requested more  information about                                                                    
a planned committee whose task  it was to address Task Force                                                                    
issues. She offered  to meet at a later date  to discuss it.                                                                    
Representative  Seaton reported  that an  interim commission                                                                    
was drawn up and the members have recently been appointed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:56:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly asked  what happens  to the  BSA after                                                                    
the three-year  plan and the meeting  requirements have been                                                                    
met.  He  requested  the  incremental  cost.  Representative                                                                    
Seaton thought  it was  about $17  million, or  1.5 percent,                                                                    
but offered to get back with the exact number.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly inquired  how  the  carry forward  was                                                                    
reflected on  the $17  million. Representative  Seaton asked                                                                    
if  he  was  referring   to  reducing  the  intensive  needs                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  reworded his  question. Representative                                                                    
Seaton  explained that  it is  mostly reflected  in the  1.5                                                                    
percent  increase  to  the   BSA  for  vocational  technical                                                                    
education. He added that education  was seen as an intensive                                                                    
needs  piece  that  was  accomplished.  The  piece  that  is                                                                    
lacking  is  vocational  education.   About  70  percent  of                                                                    
students  will   not  go   through  a   college  curriculum;                                                                    
therefore,  more  efforts  should  be  spent  on  vocational                                                                    
course work.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:00:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PETER   HOEPFNER,  SCHOOL   BOARD  MEMBER,   CORDOVA  SCHOOL                                                                    
DISTRICT  (via   teleconference),  read  a   statement  from                                                                    
Superintendent Jim  Nygaard. The letter emphasized  that the                                                                    
bill  is  critical  to vocational  programs,  staffing,  and                                                                    
equipment  needs in  Cordova.  He spoke  in  support of  the                                                                    
forward funding provided in the bill.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hoepfner  supported the  bill  and  future funding.  It                                                                    
would help  with special needs,  as well as with  the gifted                                                                    
and learning program which has been lost.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:03:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Thomas  asked if the  last three  years' increase                                                                    
in BSA has seen any  success in decreasing the dropout rate.                                                                    
Mr. Hoepfner noted that the  dropout rate in Cordova was not                                                                    
very high. He pointed out that  dropouts tend to be the more                                                                    
gifted students  and that may  be due to the  elimination of                                                                    
the Gifted and Talented  Program. He appreciated the funding                                                                    
of computers.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:05:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LON   GARRISON,   PRESIDENT,   SITKA   SCHOOL   BOARD   (via                                                                    
teleconference),  testified in  support  of HB  317 and  the                                                                    
continued good work  of the Education Task  Force. The block                                                                    
grant,  increased BSA,  and  intensive-needs multiplier  are                                                                    
extremely important to Sitka  and other coastal communities.                                                                    
He spoke  of reduced  funding sources  in Sitka  which would                                                                    
have  a  negative  impact on  schools.  He  appreciated  the                                                                    
funding predictability  contained in  HB 317. He  noted that                                                                    
Sitka has  a low drop-out rate  of only 5 percent.  He hoped                                                                    
to  continue  to  engage students  with  the  assistance  of                                                                    
multi-year funding.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:08:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  MARTINSEN, CO-CHAIR,  VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL  EDUCATION                                                                    
PROVIDERS,   SITKA   (via  teleconference),   reminded   the                                                                    
committee that recently the Department  of Education and the                                                                    
Department  of  Labor  have combined  efforts  to  create  a                                                                    
statewide Career  and Technology  Education (CTE)  Plan. She                                                                    
opined that  the bill would begin  to meet the need  to turn                                                                    
around the decline of a  qualified workforce. She emphasized                                                                    
that CTE  is one of  the fourteen best practices  to prevent                                                                    
dropouts. Rural  schools have a  strong network  of regional                                                                    
training centers  throughout the state. She  spoke in strong                                                                    
support of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
STEVE BRADSHAW,  SUPERINTENDENT, SITKA SCHOOL  DISTRICT (via                                                                    
teleconference),  responded to  the dropout  question. Sitka                                                                    
School District  has been involved  in a  dropout prevention                                                                    
grant, along with Juneau and  Ketchikan, in order to attempt                                                                    
to add  a cultural awareness  piece to the curriculum.  At a                                                                    
meeting with  the Departments of Education,  Justice, Labor,                                                                    
and  Health and  Human  Services in  the Governor's  Office,                                                                    
there   was  discussion   about  how   to  enforce   student                                                                    
attendance. He spoke in support  of the bill and thanked the                                                                    
House  Education Committee  for their  work. He  spoke of  a                                                                    
history of cuts in vocational education.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:14:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARL ROSE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ASSOCIATION OF ALASKA SCHOOL                                                                    
BOARDS,  spoke  in  support  of   HB  317.  The  operational                                                                    
stability of  school districts depends on  knowing what kind                                                                    
of  funding  there will  be.  There  needs  to be  a  smooth                                                                    
teacher  retention   transition  from   year  to   year.  He                                                                    
responded to the dropout issue  by stating that there are 53                                                                    
school districts  in the  state and  each one  experiences a                                                                    
different   school  climate.   There  is   improved  student                                                                    
performance in  schools where students  feel safe  and cared                                                                    
for.  School  partnerships  with  communities  also  make  a                                                                    
difference. Students  need to be  engaged to  be successful.                                                                    
The Consortium  for Digital  Learning shows  that attendance                                                                    
increases when  students are engaged. Digital  Learning will                                                                    
improve school  achievement. Many school districts  are also                                                                    
offering additional instruction.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose related  that he served on the  Funding Task Force,                                                                    
which addressed  a number  of issues.  The bill  extends the                                                                    
task   force's  work   for  two   years,  addresses   career                                                                    
technology  through the  block grant,  ensures increases  in                                                                    
the  Consumer  Price  Index  (CPI),  but  not  decreases  in                                                                    
transportation, and  is an  opportunity to  increase funding                                                                    
for FY 2012 and FY 2013.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:20:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan asked  if  the BSA  amount the  three                                                                    
previous years  was $100.  Mr. Rose  said that  was correct.                                                                    
Representative  Doogan  requested  an  explanation  for  the                                                                    
necessity  to  increase  that  amount   to  $125.  Mr.  Rose                                                                    
recalled discussion  of that decision. He  thought that $125                                                                    
was an appropriation  amount. He pointed out  that there had                                                                    
not  been an  increase in  the block  grant since  SB 36  in                                                                    
1998.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan  wondered if there was  another reason                                                                    
to move from  $100 to $125 for the next  two years. Mr. Rose                                                                    
answered  that the  amount was  $100 per  year the  last two                                                                    
years  and for  the  current year.  It  was recognized  that                                                                    
there are intensive  needs, where actual cost  per child can                                                                    
run  from   $75,000  to  $500,000.  As   costs  continue  to                                                                    
increase, the goal was to try to keep up with those costs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:23:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  commented on keeping school  funding up                                                                    
with  inflation.  He did  not  feel  obligated to  keep  the                                                                    
funding  at $100  because  the task  force  left the  amount                                                                    
unresolved.  He  spoke  of  an  increase  in  special  needs                                                                    
funding  and in  the  cost differential.  He voiced  concern                                                                    
about schools  not being able to  keep up and having  to dip                                                                    
into other  money. The Anchorage CPI  inflation increase for                                                                    
2008 was  4.6 percent and for  2009 it was 1.2  percent. The                                                                    
last  three-year   average  was  roughly  2.7   percent.  He                                                                    
concluded  that $125  for two  years would  result in  a 2.2                                                                    
percent increase  and not keep  up with inflation.  He asked                                                                    
Mr. Rose to comment.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose replied  that there is concern  about inflation and                                                                    
there  has been  talk of  inflation-proofing the  foundation                                                                    
formula and transportation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara reported  that schools received benefits                                                                    
the last two years in the  form of special needs funding and                                                                    
area  cost  differential.  He  asked   if  his  analysis  of                                                                    
inflation was correct and if  special needs funding and cost                                                                    
differential funding would be used to combat inflation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rose  responded that regular instruction  funds would be                                                                    
used to  cover special  needs programs, which  are mandated.                                                                    
The  students who  generate  the majority  of  the money  in                                                                    
regular  instruction  are  supplementing  the  rest  of  the                                                                    
budget. With  the increase in  the block grant and  with the                                                                    
Letter  of  Intent  that  looks   at  career  and  technical                                                                    
education,  special   education  will   still  need   to  be                                                                    
subsidized. There are unmet needs  everywhere. He saw HB 317                                                                    
as a means of being able to plan ahead.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  if  Mr. Rose  could recommend  a                                                                    
number   that   would  prevent   the   need   to  dip   into                                                                    
instructional costs. Mr. Rose said he could not.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:28:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARY    FRANCIS,   EXECUTIVE    DIRECTOR,   ALASKA    SCHOOL                                                                    
ADMINISTRATORS ASSOCIATION  (ASAA), recalled  her experience                                                                    
as a  former superintendent and praised  forward funding for                                                                    
school  districts.  She said  she  represents  a group  that                                                                    
supports  HB 317.  She mentioned  that the  additional money                                                                    
for  Career and  Vocational  Education is  much needed.  The                                                                    
Alaska  Staff Network,  a division  of ASAA,  offers dropout                                                                    
preventions  symposiums throughout  the year.  She spoke  in                                                                    
support of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked  Ms.  Francis  if  she  has  any                                                                    
concern about the level of the  BSA proposed in the bill not                                                                    
keeping  up  with  inflation. Ms.  Francis  shared  concerns                                                                    
about  keeping  up with  inflation  and  stated support  for                                                                    
inflation-proofing the BSA.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:31:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDI STORY,  VICE PRESIDENT, JUNEAU SCHOOL  BOARD, testified                                                                    
on behalf  of the board and  in support of HB  317. The bill                                                                    
helps schools plan efficient budgets,  lays out a foundation                                                                    
of  stability, and  maximizes  resources  for students.  She                                                                    
spoke of  the difficulties  small districts  experience when                                                                    
they are not able to plan  ahead. She pointed out that it is                                                                    
important  to   remember  that  the  block   grant  has  not                                                                    
increased since 1998. She shared  information about the four                                                                    
levels covered  by the  block grant.  There is  an increased                                                                    
need for a highly skilled  workforce in Alaska at this time.                                                                    
She  informed the  committee that  Juneau's graduation  rate                                                                    
has increased to  77 percent, an increase of  7 percent. She                                                                    
spoke in strong support of  the bill because it will benefit                                                                    
students every day.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:35:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  JONES,   ASSISTANT  SUPERINTENDENT,   KENAI  PENINSULA                                                                    
BOROUGH  SCHOOL  DISTRICT,  testified   in  support  of  the                                                                    
forward  funding   provided  in  HB  317.   He  thanked  the                                                                    
committee for  forward funding in the  three previous years,                                                                    
which  enabled  the  Kenai  Schools  to  have  a  long-range                                                                    
educational plan called  Programmatic Staffing. This program                                                                    
increased  staffing  in  targeted  areas with  the  goal  of                                                                    
improving  the graduation  rate. At  Monday's board  meeting                                                                    
non-tenured  contracts will  be issued  - the  earliest date                                                                    
ever in the Kenai District.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze asked what the  tenure length is. Mr. Jones                                                                    
replied that it  was three years and one day.  He added that                                                                    
HB  317  would allow  the  district  to  move along  in  the                                                                    
program and  continue to improve  in the areas  targeted. He                                                                    
noted  that federal  health care  reform will  have a  major                                                                    
affect on school board budgets.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:40:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan  observed that  there would  have been                                                                    
no  problems with  pink slips  for non-tenured  teachers, if                                                                    
people  had  supported  a  previous  bill  that  would  have                                                                    
changed school funding deadlines.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:41:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AMY LUJAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR,  ALASKA ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL                                                                    
BUSINESS  OFFICIALS, testified  in support  of past  forward                                                                    
funding for  schools. She shared  her experience  with being                                                                    
able to  plan budgets  in schools.  Adding certainty  to the                                                                    
funding process  helps schools lessen the  dropout rate. She                                                                    
spoke in support of HB 317.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
EDDY  JEANS,  DIRECTOR,   SCHOOL  FINANCES  AND  FACILITIES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION  AND EARLY  DEVELOPMENT, introduced                                                                    
himself. He took questions to be answered at a later date.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly wanted  information  about the  higher                                                                    
education CPI.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule  wanted  to  hear why  Alaska  is  not                                                                    
participating in the Race for the Top.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Kelly  requested   information  on   school                                                                    
graduation rates.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked for  statistics on  inflation and                                                                    
how BSA might meet inflation increases.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Jeans  replied   that  the   only  component   in  the                                                                    
department's budget  that is adjusted  for inflation  is the                                                                    
Pupil Transportation Grant program,  which uses a three-year                                                                    
average.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:47:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Thomas inquired  if  there was  anything in  the                                                                    
bill which  addresses the Moore  vs. Alaska case.  Mr. Jeans                                                                    
reported  that there  would be  a Joint  Education Committee                                                                    
meeting to present the department's side of the Moore case.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  317  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  Committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 355                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to criminal fines for organizations."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MAX GRUENBERG  talked about  Version P,  the                                                                    
House Judiciary version  of HB 355, which  raises the amount                                                                    
of fines for corporations  and other criminal organizations,                                                                    
as shown  on lines  7-13, page  1. It has  been a  number of                                                                    
years since those  fines were raised. The  size of necessary                                                                    
deterrents  has not  kept pace  with the  crimes, which  are                                                                    
often   large.  Under   AS  11.16.130,   a  corporation   or                                                                    
partnership is  legally accountable in a  criminal sense for                                                                    
the  operations  or conduct  of  an  agent employed  by  the                                                                    
company.  The  criminal fine  section  is  key in  deterring                                                                    
organizational crime.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gruenberg addressed  the  second purpose  of                                                                    
the bill,  which begins on page  2, lines 1-7, and  closes a                                                                    
loophole. He  gave an example  of a bribe whose  purpose was                                                                    
to stop  a tax. The tax  went through any way,  resulting in                                                                    
no  gain to  the defendant  and no  loss to  the victim.  He                                                                    
termed the  example a  conspiracy -  a criminal  contract to                                                                    
commit a crime.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gruenberg   described  the   third  category                                                                    
covered in the  bill, criminal solicitation -  a request for                                                                    
someone else  to commit a  crime. The statute is  crafted so                                                                    
that the maximum  a judge can order is three  times the gain                                                                    
to the  defendant, or  three times the  loss to  the victim.                                                                    
This provides for a reasonable deterrent.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gruenberg  added  that there  is  no  fiscal                                                                    
impact from the bill. All  fines collected would go into the                                                                    
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stoltze   questioned   the   inclusion   of   the                                                                    
applicability    section   on    page   2,    lines   10-11.                                                                    
Representative Gruenberg  responded that  it is in  the bill                                                                    
so  there's no  question  that  it would  be  applied in  an                                                                    
unconstitutional ex post facto manner.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:56:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK  SVOBODNY,  DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT  OF  LAW,                                                                    
introduced  himself. He  noted  that the  Department of  Law                                                                    
supports the bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough inquired when  the fines were last                                                                    
raised or  adjusted. Mr. Svobodny  replied that there  was a                                                                    
raise  in the  penalty provisions  for non-corporate  crimes                                                                    
three years  ago, but  he did not  know if  corporate crimes                                                                    
were included.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GRETCHEN STAFT,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG,  noted the                                                                    
fines on  page 1,  lines 9-13,  were last  set in  1990. The                                                                    
amount on page 1, line 7, was set in 2002.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough  asked what the increase  prior to                                                                    
2002 was.  Ms. Staff  said she would  have to  research that                                                                    
information. She  believe it increased  from $500,000  to $1                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster inquired how  these amounts compare to                                                                    
other  states. Ms.  Staff replied  that  they were  slightly                                                                    
higher  than other  states, but  they are  maximums and  the                                                                    
court can set a lower fine.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:00:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Staff read  that the fines depend on the  type and level                                                                    
of  the crimes.  Some  states do  not  separate felony  from                                                                    
misdemeanor crimes.  She gave examples  of fines  in various                                                                    
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stoltze   requested    the   data   in   writing.                                                                    
Representative Gruenberg  pointed out that the  numbers were                                                                    
suggestions. He left the decisions up to the committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough  wanted further  justification for                                                                    
increasing the fines.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:02:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Svobodny gave an example of  a fine. Three years ago the                                                                    
state was in a process  of investigating BP for the shutdown                                                                    
of the North  Slope oil fields based on  BP's negligence. At                                                                    
that time  the maximum  fine would  have been  $500,000. The                                                                    
state ultimately agreed to join  with the federal government                                                                    
in a resolution of that case  which resulted in a penalty of                                                                    
$4 million.  Some corporations have conduct  that can result                                                                    
in fairly large penalties.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze spoke in support of the bill.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:04:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  commented that  it looked like  a huge                                                                    
disparity compared  with other states. He  thought it wasn't                                                                    
business friendly.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  maintained that  the state was  only being                                                                    
unfriendly to businesses that commit a crime.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan  thought  the  amount  might  not  be                                                                    
enough for some of the kinds of crimes imagined.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:05:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  commended the closing of  a loophole in                                                                    
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze referred to a zero fiscal note.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Thomas  MOVED to  report  CSHB  355(JUD) out  of                                                                    
Committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 355(JUD) was REPORTED out of Committee with a "do                                                                          
pass" recommendation and with previously published zero                                                                         
fiscal note: FN1 (LAW)                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 4:08 PM.                                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
3.Letter of intent CSHB317.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
4.HB 317 sponsor statment.docx HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
5.HB317 changes between original and CS.docx HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
10.Increases to education funding chart from DEED.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
11.AMYAHouseEdCommQuestions.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
12.support.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
01 HB355 Sponsor Statement[1].pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 355
HB 355 Explanation of Changes.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 355
HB 355 Law Review Article.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 355
HB 317 Amendment #1 Gara.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
SB 171 Amendment Thomas.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 171
CSSB 171 Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 171
CSSB 171 Memo on changes 04092009.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 171
CSSB171(FIN)-REV-PFD-02-09-10NEW PFD for Deceased Individuals.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 171
HB 357 WORKDRAFT CS 26-LS1356 S Version.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 357
HB 357 Letter of Intent.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 357
HB 357 Legal Memo.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 357
HB 357 City of Whittier Letter.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 357
HB357 Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 357
HB 317 Gara Amendment Backup.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
HB 317 Amendment Gara #2.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
HB 317
SB 171 CS WORKDRAFT 26 LS0804 C Version.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 171
SB 171 Fiscal Note DOR.pdf HFIN 4/2/2010 1:30:00 PM
SB 171